>Где взять книги для обучения?
У нас есть облако с разными учебниками. Если у тебя есть полезная книга - загружай в эту же папку. Тебе все будут благодарны.
http://2ch.club/en
>Нужен перевод, но переводчик выдаёт херню
https://reverso.com
>Не понимаю слово, чем можно заменить?
Подбери синоним https://synonyms.reverso.net
>Какая форма глагола?
Проспрягать глаголы по временам, числам и падежам https://conjugator.reverso.net
>Как лучше учить язык?
Либо классически, по учебникам и упражнениям, либо "поглощением". Последний вариант очень эффективен для тех, кто хорошо запоминает. Его смысл в том, чтобы учить много слов, тратя лишь немного времени на грамматику. Подробнее https://youtu.be/illApgaLgGA
Шапки (все, кто впервые в треде и не знает с чего начать, обязательно ознакомьтесь):
• https://gist.github.com/123159753/947c0c60a642495303b163bee4933ccb
• • • https://justpaste.it/english-thread
Всякие полезности:
• http://lurkmore.to/fl#The_Ultimate_.2Ffl.2F_Guide_for_Languages литература и материалы
• • • http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/language/askaboutenglish/index.shtml разные вопросы по языку
Предыдущий тред: >>506048 (OP)
> Какие же двачеры дегенераты. Заебали сраться с а0(с3) господами, лучше бы объяснили быстро как работает вся грамматика и как понимать тексты, не заглядывая в словарь, чтобы не тратить время на ненужные учебники и костыли в виде преподов.
I try to understand it by myself (I mean I don't have a private English tutor). There are many cases in English that you need to remember. If I had any English resources while I were trying to pass an exam, it wouldn't help me. And now I have the resources, but it doesn't help me much in writing.
Take, for example, the prepositions. There is no logic how you should use them. You just need to remember that.
Also you need to figure out where and when you should use 'a' instead of 'the' and vice versa. That's really hard since we don't have them in Russian at all.
Oh, and I forgot to say about the phrasal verbs. And I don't want to talk about them. There is a bunch of them. And you just need to remember them.
>лучше бы объяснили быстро как работает вся грамматика
150-200 академических часов с преподом (мной). Столько же самостоятельных занятий. Обрщйс.
Try to google "first conditional" or you can open the murphy book
You need a tutor in that case.
If we weren't taught Russian at school, our Russian wouldn't be good.
We need to interact with someone. We need to discuss structure of sentences. It'd be really helpful.
All of those 'genius' who speak English pretty well just were taught English at school. There is no magic here. By 'were taught', I imply they really learned it. They had teachers who interacted with them in English. They were taught how and what they should speak and write. Some of them have spent time abroad learning English. Isn't that cool? By experiencing that, they've got a huge advantage.
Without having all that shit, you would be like me.
I have intuition. But now it only helps to understand I'm wrong. But it doesn't help me to find the right way since I don't have much experience with writing in English.
So, it's obvious I use Russian grammar unconsciously all the time. But that's normal. My brain just tries to fill the gaps.
Could you imagine that? It seems impossible, right?
My goal is that you can't learn something without practicing.
Because of that, I don't give a fuck that my English is bad. I do my best and try to analyze my texts. Sometimes the thoughts come to my mind suddenly. And I realize some of my mistakes. Of course, I can't realize all of them.
And I think you have a mind of your own. You don't need to learn English through my texts but to understand what's wrong with my texts.
Я своим ученикам запрещаю такую срань читать, чтобы не нахватались ошибок.
I have no money either. I think it's possible to reach a level B2 in English through learning it by yourself.
And having the B2 is not so bad at all.
>I really like your English, it is very good level. I like speak like you once.
No, dude. I really make the mistakes. You need to read posts on Reddit and use this thread for practice only.
>>510091
>>510094
I mean I'm not the OP, guys.
I've just found that random shit, lol:
https://preply.com/en/moscow/english-tutors
Here is one of those tutors. Listen to her. What do you think of her accent? I think it's good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bznMjar0Hyo
>В треде преподы появляются?
Not real teachers in this thread, only greedy which want money-money-money. I learn English myself and without money, you can learn too, just believe in yourself. You don't need teacher, just watch free playlists too and your English will itself better.
>What do you think of her accent?
Анон я тут появляюсь периодически. И одно не меняется. Никто не любит когда кто то тут хуярит свой руинглишь. Мы помню даже тред пару лет назад для пиздежа делали. Может создадим? Назовем тред практики. Может С2 аноны с коррекцией ошибок подсобят нет.
Что касаемо акцента я за последние пол года говорил наверное с полусотней разных людей по работе. Всем поебать на акцент. Он во всем мире присутствует. Думаю для правки акцента спец препод уже нужен натив.
> Думаю для правки акцента спец препод уже нужен натив.
Вот это спорно, есть куча преподов не нейтивов, которые тоже ставят акцент, типа таких:
https://www.facebook.com/rockme.english/
Возможно русский препод даже лучше поставит, т.к. знает где у русскоговорящих самые большие проблемы (типа долгих/коротких звуков) и сам проходил через процесс по полировке акцента.
https://www.readspeaker.com/text-to-speech-demo/
потыкайте кто-нибудь, она норм интонацию в предложениях выдает или рандом тупо?
>Возможно русский препод даже лучше поставит, т.к. знает где у русскоговорящих самые большие проблемы
My problems are grammar and lexicon. It is very difficult. But accent I don’t understand what is a problem? It is very easy, just say r with tongue and put tongue to teeth for t,d.
>Возможно русский препод даже лучше поставит, т.к. знает где у русскоговорящих самые большие проблемы (типа долгих/коротких звуков) и сам проходил через процесс по полировке акцента.
No. I think we need someone who is a native English speaker but speaks Russian very well.
I hope you understand what I mean.
His pronunciation in English would be perfect, but he would know a lot about Russian.
What do you think about that?
> My problems are grammar and lexicon.
So what's the problem? Grammar is easy peasy -- download any book or find a youtube channel. It's not rocket science.
For lexicon, you can read books, watch series. The key is in the practice. Face with an unknown word or a phrase? Well done! Write down a couple of sentences using those words and read them aloud.
And remember: learn a language is not a sprint, it's gonna take some time to get used to.
Someone like that guy?
https://www.instagram.com/mrhopkins.english/
I think it's much harder to find an English speaker who speaks Russian as well. But yeah, it'd be perfect.
Бля, а чо пикчи-то не приклеиваются, в общем вот тогда просто ссылка на словарь:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/have-get-your-shit-together
>Grammar is easy peasy
Yeah. That shit is pretty easy. I just use my intuition though, lol.
>For lexicon, you can read books, watch series.
That's interesting. I can say the same in Russian. But I can't feel those moments when English and Russian look almost the same.
>The key
And here you used 'the' since you meant something special by that 'key'. That's interesting and in the same time strange. 'The' can work like a(?) descriptor. I'll never get it.
For example:
- "We need an English teacher."
- "I am the teacher!"
Is it correct? I want to understand the(?) logic.
> The/a
Если по простому, то есть тема (то, что считается известным или может быть легко понято), а есть рема (новая информация). В русском мы используем порядок слов:
Анон зашел на борду. Анон=тема, борда=рема. Т.е. какой-то нам известный (или из контекста понятно какой) анон зашел на борду (новая информация).
На борду зашел анон. Борда=тема, анон=рема. Т.е. на понятно какую борду зашел какой-то анон.
В английском же мы не можем менять порядок слов и для определения темы/ремы используются артикли:
The anonymous enters on a board
An anonymous enters on the board
В твоем же примере:
- "We need an English teacher." -- "an English teacher" это рема
- "I am the teacher!" -- "the teacher" стала темой, т.к. теперь уже понятно о каком учителе идет речь.
>В русском мы используем порядок слов:
Okay. But to be honest, your examples in Russian doesn't make sense for me. I'm talking about Russian.
I just wanted to say that in Russian, we understand all the (?) information through context, I think.
Just the first word/the first word combination is used for emphasis.
But again I'll try to understand it.
Thank you.
This program тут как раз неверно. This - это какая-то определенная программа. Например, если бы анон спросил "вы видели программу "Иван"?" А such a program - это таки любая программа, обладающая описанным функционалом.
>>509997 →
Раз уж начал пояснять, то закончу. Про this/such a просили выше.
>Could
Потому что ты не слышал о такой программе - для тебя неизвестно священство ли такая вообще, но если бы она существовала, то тогда она МОГЛА БЫ БЫТЬ полезной.
>Useful
There is a slight difference in meaning. Useful means having a practical or beneficial application. Helpful means providing aid. So, useful is more often used for machines or tools, while helpful is more often used for people. That is a useful blender. He is a helpful person. If you say "he is a useful person", it does not necessarily mean that he is willingly providing help - it can just mean he has a practical application. He is useful to have around because he talks too much, and I can always find out what the boss is thinking. Do in this very case it's only my preferences.
Here, you finally got me. From now on I'm intended do rakovat with you. That's a grain for our side. Hurray!
Короче новоиспеченный репетитор в треде. Провел сейчас урок с новым учеником. Там 25 лет, откровенно хуевый школьный английский забыт практически полностью, в лучшем случае А2 - то есть человек банально в present simple не может проспрягать глагол, не знает чем отличается your от yours и пр.
Короче сначала прошли один урок по фонетике "get rid of your accent". Там одна страничка на А5 - слов 30, 4 упражнения и один стишок в 2 четверостишия. Дал прочитать, потом прослушали аудио, ещё раз прочитали. На одно только это вместо 5 минут (которые как я предполагал займет этот блок), на это ушло 40 минут. Потом чтобы немного расслабиться - почти малюсенький текст пролог к приему фаулу. После прочтения я перевел все незнакомые слова и начал задавать вопросы по тексту, на которые ученик не сон ответить ни на один - он тупо не может понять что его спрашивают когда я задаю вопрос, а потом все равно не может ответить.
Потом ещё одна особенность - когда ученик отвечает на вопрос, у него не только грамматика мгновенно исчезает (которой и так почти не было), но и произношение мгновенно превращается в хостеле русское из анекдотов.
После этого я кое-как пробежался по первому уроку из grammarway, дал небольшой диктант и на этом мы закончили.
В качестве дз дал прочитать и разобрать новую лексику из 2-3 страниц того же артемиса фаула книга по выбору ученика - чтобы ему было интересно читать, быть готовым обсудить, пересказать. Ну и ещё дал видео по фонетике.
Все про все занял полтора часа. На мой взгляд можно было спокойно уложиться в 30 минут. Буду рад объективной критике
>>510053
Is called received personification. Google it.
>>510072
One just doesn't use future tense with time clauses (after “after”, “as soon as”, “before”, "when", "if", probably something else - I can't recall).
But to be honest there's an exception - when the action in the "if/when" clause takes place after that in the main clause.
For instance - If aspirin will ease my headache, I will take a couple tonight instead of this horrible medicine.
Очевидный русский акцент. Но это последнее, что должно тетя воровать, если только у тебя не С1+. Я серьезно. Если кратко, то полностью избавиться от акцептора могут только единицы при условии, что будут жить многие годы (10+) в стране носителей и работать над произношением фултайм. В противном случае, далее если ты в 10 переехал в Америку и закончил там школу/универ, то к 30 у тетя все равно будет акцент. Соответственно когда ты достигнешь такого уровня как у тян с видео (средненький) можешь переслать тратить на это свои силы и время, это реально полная хуита.
мимо С2 долбоеб
>Очевидный русский акцент.
Really? Goddamn! That means my accent is shit.
>Но это последнее, что должно тетя воровать, если только у тебя не С1+. Я серьезно.
You're completely right.
>это реально полная хуита.
What about your accent? How good is it? Is it better than hers?
Don't forget about 'is' and 'are' please.
You should've said: "I think they are just lazy."
And also: "they learn language".
It's like: "You learn English and your teacher teach you English".
"and they learn English from childhood"
>lazy is zlo
Laziness is evil.
I mean it's okay. I learned English. But my school was ordinary. I know the basis. My English is bad too.
I think maybe they are not so lazy at all. Maybe they just don't have much time to improve their English.
>Короче новоиспеченный репетитор в треде. Провел сейчас урок с новым учеником. Там 25 лет, откровенно хуевый школьный английский забыт практически полностью, в лучшем случае А2 - то есть человек банально в present simple не может проспрягать глагол, не знает чем отличается your от yours и пр.
Обычный ученик. Почти каждый.
За несколько занятий вспоминает.
>Дал прочитать, потом прослушали аудио, ещё раз прочитали. На одно только это вместо 5 минут (которые как я предполагал займет этот блок), на это ушло 40 минут.
На фонетику 5-15 минут МАКСИМУМ, иначе вообще ничего не успеете.
> текст
Текст пусть дома читает. Урок нужен для грамматики и практики речи. Тексты можно оставить как контрольный срез раз в месяц, чтобы оценить фонетику, интонацию, понимание.
>на которые ученик не сон ответить ни на один - он тупо не может понять что его спрашивают когда я задаю вопрос, а потом все равно не может ответить.
Может, просто ты хуевый.
Может, у него А1 дно. Настоящий А1 по CERF, я имею в виду. Это уровень, это не ноль.
Заставляй с самого начала говорить, иначе так и будешь водить его за нос без результатов.
препод, провел скромные 1000 уроков
>Потом ещё одна особенность - когда ученик отвечает на вопрос, у него не только грамматика мгновенно исчезает (которой и так почти не было), но и произношение мгновенно превращается в хостеле русское из анекдотов.
Это вообще золотой стандарт. Поэтому я лолирую с баранов, которые в треде полируют произношение до идеального, пытаются копировать RP или Standard American. Как только любого ESL-щика поставить в неожиданную ситуацию, у него сразу владение на 2 уровня проваливается и тут же показывается родное произношение.
Касательно учеников: до крепкого В2 будут всё путать, как долбоебы, даже если грамматика на отлично в упражнения, в речи будут постоянно позорные косяки. Лечится адской рефлексией и мотивацией.
Да вообще насрать, что у кого горит. Здесь такие уроды сидят, что жалеть их не приходится.
Преподавательство - это тоже ремесло и оно бывает разного уровня и качества. И отсюда соразмерное вознаграждение.
А бесплатно (не будет показывать пальцами на оранжевые-изумрудные плейлисты) - бывает только ГОВНО.
>Как только любого ESL-щика поставить в неожиданную ситуацию, у него сразу владение на 2 уровня проваливается и тут же показывается родное произношение.
That's normal. He experiences stress when that happens. When someone experiences it, he suddenly forgets about all those new skills.
>Касательно учеников: до крепкого В2 будут всё путать, как долбоебы, даже если грамматика на отлично в упражнения, в речи будут постоянно позорные косяки. Лечится адской рефлексией и мотивацией.
It sounds logical. But I'll never reach the B2, I think.
I mean always remember unless you're was born in a native English speaking country, you'll never become the native speaker.
I see you guys like to make fun of someone whose English is worse than yours. But what's the point?
The native speaker could do the same with you if he wanted to.
But native speakers use "you was" https://www.reddit.com/r/emojipasta/comments/aihvdo/you_was_at_the_club/
Lol. That's interesting.
https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/95808/is-you-was-correct-to-say
Maybe it can be used somewhere (in some dialects). But in general, you should say 'you were'.
I am found another example https://www.reddit.com/r/NameThatSong/comments/7c0ikf/what_song_is_this/
It is prove that you can say.
Да нет, уж что-что, а этот учебник можно с полного нуля разбирать.
>>510174
Я не против Но смысла нет - это ведь этот самый тред и есть. А раковня и в новый набежит.
>На фонетику 5-15 минут МАКСИМУМ,
Так и планировалось. Никогда бы не подумал, что на это можно убить 40 минут (пикрил - это весь урок).
>Может, просто ты хуевый.
Как препод - скорее всего, тут не спорю. Но я уже говорил в прошлом треде - у меня СРЕ есть и я думаю просто невозможно откатиться до такого уровня, чтобы банальные вопросы уровня "What's this text about? Describe the main character of the story. What is he famous for?" Вызывали полное непонимание.
>Может, у него А1 дно.
Там реально все плохо с грамматикой, прям реально А1. Но при этом лексика более-менее. В районе 1,5к слов наверное есть.
> посмотрю как все устроено
Лол, как все устроено. Ведёшь уроки по 200р, а работники отдела продаж постоянно присылают е-мейлы взять ещё одного ученика, и "мы заметили, что вы мало пользуетесь виртуальным классом" который представляет из себя куски учебников десятилетней давности.
Работал там?
Я знаю, что там копейки платят. Просто говорят там пиздатая система с готовыми уроками, что даже В1-В2 дауны могут успешно уроки вести.
Так-то я пока все равно должен учиться, но пока я это делаю бесплатно, а так мне хоть 200 рублей в час заплатят Да, курьеры и те больше получают.
У меня страхи, что ученики будут недовольны, скажут что я хуевый препод, отзывов негативных в интернете накидают и вот это все.
Ну а по поводу учебников десятилетней давности я с тобой не соглашусь - десять лет - это не 50, за это время в языке ниуя не поменялось. И разница есть только если твоя цель не язык выучить, а экзамен сдать. Ну и в современной методологии тенденция адаптировать обучение под даунов - не нужно ничего учить, не нужно напрягаться, просто берем и повторяем бездумно, картиночки смотрим и улюлюкаем. Дегроды, которые хаят школьных училок не напрягаются, довольны и даже что-то там мычат на рунглише - значит "celta работает". А то, что они тратят по 10 лет на то, чего можно за пару лет добиться их не волнует - они же бессмертные все на самом деле и не хотят выучить язык.
>Я знаю, что там копейки платят. Просто говорят там пиздатая система с готовыми уроками, что даже В1-В2 дауны могут успешно уроки вести.
Готовые уроки = униты из new english file или market leader. Проблема не в том, что они старые, а в том, что они их криво копипастят и теряется внутренняя структура учебника. Если ученика задолбет эти юниты с тобой гонять каждый урок - начнет капать на мозги "методист", обычно какой-то ноунейм из ебеней. Попробуй, конечно, для разминки может быть неплохо, но в целом это развоз еды в термо-сумке от мира преподавания.
>Зачем А2 пытаться говорить?
Требования для уровня А2:
Сможете спросить дорогу (как пройти из пункта А в пункт В) и понять ответ
Можете объясниться на английском языке в простых бытовых ситуациях, требующих прямого обмена информацией на знакомые вам темы
Можете рассказать на английском, кто вы такой, где живете и с кем общаетесь, выразить свои базовые потребности
Если преподаватель не дает говорить - он наёбывает.
>Зачем А2 пытаться говорить?
And I think that's really effective. That's really how we learn our native language.
I mean by speaking in a language, we get our accent and the intuition.
Although when you live in this country, it's not so easy to practice your speaking skills in your foreign language.
>>510253
>Если преподаватель не дает говорить - он наёбывает.
Thanks.
>Надо без внутреннего переводчика понимать без русского.
You should say 'because' and write 'because', I guess.
Since we're not the native speakers, we shouldn't act like them in those cases.
They feel when it is suitable to use 'cus' and 'cause' and we don't.
Thinking in a language that is not native and understnding it without the "internal translator" is not so much about being "hard", but rather it just takes time to fully get the concept itself. Once you do, it turns out to be quite simple. And if you decide to learn another language afterwards, you will be able to utilize that realization from the very beginning.
Make an effort and try to read and get the meaning of a text without translation it in your head. Get it. Directly. Listen to people speaking English, and focus on the razor's edge of "now" and try to get what they mean. It is quite simple, you're just not used to it. Think about it.
>>510327
Not really, it just has its own quirks.
>Thinking in a language that is not native and understnding it without the "internal translator" is not so much about being "hard", but rather it just takes time to fully get the concept itself. Once you do, it turns out to be quite simple. And if you decide to learn another language afterwards, you will be able to utilize that realization from the very beginning.
Okay.
>Make an effort and try to read and get the meaning of a text without translation it in your head.
I try. But I often use monolingual dictionaries to get the meaning.
By the way, in Russian, I try to avoid using 'щас', 'томушо', etc. I really don't like it.
>I try. But I often use monolingual dictionaries to get the meaning.
While it's good, I don't think it is required. In very rare occasions when I need to look up an English word I can you either type of dictionary, and both work the same.
The process of using Russian words as I see it is extracting the abstract thought-form behind a Russian word, its essence, and using it as a tentative approximate template for the new word, which afterwards get refined through context as I encounter it, thus evolving to its true meaning.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%84%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F
>>510397
Нет, без них ты никогда не исправишь свои ошибки и будешь как этот долбоеб тут писать.
He should've said: "I think (that) he said about intuition.
As I understand, in English, we can't use present simple when we refer to the past. That's a very organized language.
I don't know what to say about your thoughts you've said.
Okay. Maybe you're partially right. But we should practice. Simple and short sentences are sentences too.
>А нейтивы знают об этом?
Да: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZ5r6q8_Sc
Съеби в свой загон:
>>510217 (OP) (OP)
Как на русский перевести "offensive behavior"? Те периоды, которые я нахожу: оскорбительное/агрессивное поведение, как по мне, не достаточно хорошо передают смысл этой фразы.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfXqxjMkyQ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcAJjcOlUG0
>не приблизишься к нейтив-уровню
Almost of them don't speak Russian at all. You can offense them in an indirect way in Russian if you want to. Okay, that was a stupid example.
I mean English is a lingua franca nowadays. We have to learn it. Also even when you just try to learn it, your brain creates new neural connections. I think that's good for us.
My English is bad. Their Russian doesn't exist.
And Russian still has some power, I think. So we have some advantage by speaking it.
Could you please write in English then?
Yes, Japanese is far harder to learn in comparison to English.
And Russian is harder to learn in comparison to English.
But Japanese is far harder to learn in comparison to Russian.
Although English itself is not easy to learn at all.
мне еще вот эта песня очень нравится, но от другой группы
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FtbrDFgB_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOQ3_9J43eY
I like it. You have good taste in music
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOQ3_9J43eY[РАСКРЫ
Вообще я чисто из-за Морриисси англюсик подтянул
>Just use intuitive.
I think it's possible, but would take far longer than reading from a textbook to jumpstart your intuition. Native speakers have very patient teachers correcting all their mistakes in the form of their parents and teachers, and they have a lot of time to learn. Of course, you can find people equally dedicating to pointing out all your mistakes by getting into arguments on the internet.
>five years of hard working
That's enough to learn most languages to C1-C2 with traditional methods iirc. I think having at least a basic knowledge of grammar is important once you've got a decent vocabulary and reading comprehension and are ready to try writing and speaking. If you get the most rigid and easily learned grammar rules out of the way with book knowledge, that lets you focus on the bullshit intuitive rules that "just don't feel right" when you make a mistake.
>That's enough to learn most languages to C1-C2 with traditional methods iirc.
I want to tell you something. My memory is really bad. So, I can't just learn something by heart without understanding it. Of course, everything is possible one way or another, but I experience struggles with that. I don't really like to memorize something. I want to understand it.
Although I notice I'm able to memorize information in a subconscious manner.
>everything is possible one way or another
Of course, in either case your English is pretty good. I once talked to a Russian on Steam who had a remote job with an international english-speaking company and you're close to his level, maybe a few months to a year of studying off. But the message you just posted doesn't have a single mistake.
Well I prepare for a professional exam (to admit my university diploma btw)
And that exam ain't about grammar aspects or speaking skill by far (exam consist of 3 different steps and in 1 it's not about language)
But of course, I try to talk with native speakers and It always like "dude I understand you for 100% but your grammar using is not so good at the best"
So to sum up, I ain't afraid to speak with English-speaking strangers but how to improve grammar without books? Thanks!
also maybe create a chat in telegram to chat with each other?
>But of course, I try to talk with native speakers and It always like "dude I understand you for 100% but your grammar using is not so good at the best"
Dude, please help me to find the native speakers like those. I want my mistakes in English to be corrected or be noticed at least.
Might be a good idea to browse for a language exchange partner, fair amount of people who want to learn Russian. Just don't bother with people who haven't even reached A1, plenty of people who learn the alphabet, a few dozen words, and then give up and they'll waste your time by quitting early.
So >>510527-anon here again
I'm sorry but I have a very close friend, who currently lives in El Paso, Texas. He has a very nice American gf and she talks with me two times per week. So it's fully free for me obviously, but for random strangers like you of course not
Anyway, you can use Omegle. It's a very similar thing to chatroullete and generally speaking most of the omegle users from North America
>Just don't bother with people who haven't even reached A1, plenty of people who learn the alphabet, a few dozen words, and then give up and they'll waste your time by quitting early.
Okay. But I've heard the opposite points of view.
Although I agree with you about that.
My opinion is that I think the ideal situation is when both of the people have the same skills in the foreign languages.
почему в первой клаузе не has finished? она же сделала действие сегодня, а сегодня еще продолжается, разве не present perfect в таких случаях должно быть?
>почему в первой клаузе не has finished? она же сделала действие сегодня, а сегодня еще продолжается, разве не present perfect в таких случаях должно быть?
In American English, the past simple and the present perfect tenses can be interchangeable in some cases.
It doesn't matter she did that today. You can use the past simple in that sentence (in American English).
And I didn't pay attention she did that today at 5:00. I apologize for that. You should use the past simple only then.
When we're talking about some special time in the past, we should always use the past simple.
For example.
"It's 8:00 P.M. right now. He is watching TV now. He walked his dogs today at 7:00 P.M."
>почему в первой клаузе не has finished?
Почему он сказал "Я вышел на улицу.", а не "Я спустился на улицу"
Ну пиздец, вы тут совсем ебанулись? Захотел и сказал.
Ну а конкретно в твоем предложении из-за "earlier at 5".
С прпером было бы She has finished all her work by 5. Хотя звучит убого, здесь лучше пассивный залог использовать: She had all her work finished done by.
Палю быдлу единственный годный русский канал по изучению инглиша.
Правда он для А2 скота будет бесполезен.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1UfqervEb4
Да любой крупный форум по интересам, самый очевидный - reddit. Если передумаешь насчет токсичности, то можешь заглянуть на форч, неплохо наберешься интернет-сленга, мемов и разоговорной речи только не в /b, он там полный мусор, намного хуже двачевского. Альтернатива - r9k.
Could you explain me that?
For example, in Russian, you can combine adjectives and nouns in any way you want. It'd not sound strange but creative.
English is not Russian, however both of them are Indo-European languages. Isn't English flexible in that aspect?
I think 'cruel asshole' makes sense, doesn't it?
Not that anon you replied to. There's a lot of words that go well with asshole. Heartless asshole, stuck-up asshole, etc. Cruel asshole is a bit stiff and not as commonly used, it doesn't have the "pop" of heartless or stuck-up asshole and the words rhyme in a bland way, not in a funny way like shit fit or big nig. But it's not runglish-tier.
Ты глупый или да? В английском правила не работают. В испанском только одно правило. Запоминать слова не надо. Ты не в состоянии выучить несколько правил? Это то же самое, что сказать, что язык сложный, так как ты не хочешь учить произношение букв фонетически правильно.
Это репетитор для школьников. Задача - догнать школьную программу. Работа - тянуть за уши малолетнего идиота без мотивации.
Преподаватель для взрослых - совсем другая история. Если нужен препод - напиши мне в телегу из 15-го поста соседнего треда по преподаванию.
Анончик помоги советом. Я когда учил было все просто и понятно, анки 4к слов, англ за 16часов, времена, подкасты Хогга, разговорные клубы. Ну я доучился до уровня, что и говорить понятно мог, и говорил заграницей, предостаточно, и любых блогеров англоязычных, аниме с сабами, понимаю минимум на 75%. Но вот улучшать англ я перестал, ну иногда в игры на англ, да блогеров смотрю, клубы на карантине, поговорить не с кем, а мне это было интереснее всего. Есть проблемы с пониманием i have been и тд.
Подскажи как вернутся к обучению, и уже добить англ до идеала?
Выбирай по контексту:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/point
Ну я готов тебя учить. За год впрлне реально можно В1-В2 с нуля апнуть, но это минимум 1-2к часов нужно 3-6 часов КАЖДЫЙ ДЕНЬ, а большинство учащихся не делали далее домашку вообще и надеются за 2-3 часа в неделю с переводом что-то там выучить.
Ну а так все верно - если мы не две и у тебя слов воли есть ты без проблем выучишь простейший из европейских языков сам, безо всяких репетиторов. Что ты бомбишь-то? Тетя же никто не заставляет репетитора нанимать.
Сам хуйню спизданул, сам пробугуртил. 3-6 часов в день он должен сам тратить - читать, фильмы смотреть, анки зубрить и пр. Для ссаного репетиторнужен только для языковой практики - тут вполне достаточно 2-3 часов в неделю.
Ну и удачи тебе с репетитором за 800 рублей.
Okay.
Although I've found that:
http://www.songlyrics.com/randy-meisner/don-t-keep-it-inside-lyrics/
Could you explain me that?
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/keep+something+inside
"4. To be unable or unwilling to express or share some emotion or information. In this usage, a noun or pronoun is used between "keep" and "inside.""
I started learning English about 3 months ago, and feel that have had some great improvement since then, however if you recognize any issues with my writing, please let me know. As a personal disclaimer, I am not using any dictionaries and just writing it myself as it goes.
I'll give you some background story of how I've come to this point. I've always been keen on software engineering and had difficult relationship with my humanitarian teachers who strongly despised me and never granted me a chance of any success with literature or languages. I scored very high with my EGE (unified state exams?) and entered a university, and started working as a junior software developer already in my second year. I've significantly advanced my career ever since, but the more I worked, the more I realized that English is essential for reading documentation and communicating with my foreign counterparts, however as you remember I truly had zero faith in my abilities, primarily because of the humiliation I experienced during my high school years. I literally could not express a word in English in my head without running to Google Translate and checking every single word with my trembling hands.
This inability to process English was deeply affecting my quality of life too because I started thinking of myself as of some mentally disabled person. While I was already in charge of a large department of people where even juniors could speak English at a decent level, I was the only one who tremendously struggled with simplest phrases.
It was then when I discovered Bebris, the magnificent master of ours, and he instantly became my passion and occupied my mind more than anything else. I started watching him day and night, and with every new hour I felt that my proficiency in English was improving. To my overwhelmed surprise and joy, in already 1 month I noticed that I could easily understand my colleagues and lightheartedly join international phone calls. I am a workaholic and a greatly dedicated person, and after the second month of listening to Bebris I already achieved a pretty decent level in English, and after the third month I've lost the slightest feeling of inconvenience when talking to my overseas colleagues.
I understsand that there's still a way to go, but I just wanted to share my experience with all anonymous users of this wonderful thread so that they could never again have doubts in their abilities and never listened to anyone who preaches otherwise. There are magnificent free Bebris lectures out there, just go for them and listen to them, and you'll become confident English users just as I have. If I have managed to do it in only 3 months, you will too. Believe in yourself and remember that all of it depends on you and your passion only.
>there is no so much people
Could you explain that?
>Ты не думаешь, ты не знаешь, ты ДОГАДЫВАЕШЬСЯ. То есть правильно будет I guess.
In Russian, I'd use 'думаю'. I mean I've always thought 'I think' means "My opinion is".
But okay.
What about "IMHO, his English is pretty good" then?
>>there is no so much people
>Could you explain that?
Don't listen to him, "not so many people" or "there aren't so many people" are correct. "No so much people" is ultra runglish.
>What about "IMHO, his English is pretty good" then?
This works as well, but sounded better before.
>>510882
>Ты не думаешь, ты не знаешь, ты ДОГАДЫВАЕШЬСЯ. То есть правильно будет I guess.
Also wrong. "I think his english is pretty good" is like "In my educated opinion, his English is pretty good". Meanwhile, "I guess his English is pretty good" is like "Hard for me to say, but I guess his English is pretty good?"
>Don't listen to him, "not so many people" or "there aren't so many people" are correct. "No so much people" is ultra runglish.
Ты хуйню несешь, пидорас. "there is no so much people" максимально разговорный, легчайший вариант, без лишних заебов. Тру американ инглиш.
> Школьник, не бомби. По-русски хотя бы научись писать сначала, потом что кукарекай.
Какой уровень нужен для этого? Ссыкую что не смогу много слов сказать.
Пилите стори как начинали спикинг по скайпу.
He learned to feel no fear
He learned to not experience fear
Аноны, подскажите Grammar and Vocabulary B2 от Макмилана чем отличаются книги для студентов от учительских? Ответы в учительской проставлены в конце или прямо в тексте?
> есть ли англоязычный вариант сетевого жаргонизма " * головного мозга"
I don't think so. Just read their texts. I've never seen something like that.
IDK. First, try to rephrase it (in Russian).
For example, English has 'be crazy about sb/sth'. But it's not like what you want to find, I think.
'Тоска' has several meanings, I think.
For example, you can say in Russian:
"У меня тоска по былым временам."
"У меня ностальгия по былым временам."
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/nostalgia
But you also can say:
"Я испытываю тоску, мне очень плохо."
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/anxiety
И? Ты совсем тупой? Даже на твоем пике подтверждение моей правоты - long for - это стремиться к чему-то, очень сильно чего-то хотеть. А тоска - это сильное душевное томление, душевная тревога в соединении с грустью и скукой, тягостное уныние.
Ты видимо из местных А1 даунов, которые гордятся тем, что у них ниибаца оригинальный и нетипичный русский.
Говна поешь, чмоня неграмотная.
>So he had some skill already but had never refined it.
He used some of those cool and native-like phrases in his text and the structure of the sentences looks good enough (not like mine, for example). It seems to me his English wasn't bad at all.
I myself learned in ordinary school. We weren't taught how to build complex sentences in English. Moreover, we never spoke in English at all.
IDK. I remember a guy who was a new student in class. He transferred to our school when I was 16 years old. His English was pretty good: his accent, his vocabulary, his grammar, etc. As he said, he had learned in a special school and had been in England. (His school situated in Russia.)
There are no miracles in life.
>I really want to find mistakes there.
What for? I don't think there are real mistakes in his text.
Maybe some toxic native English speaker would say something like "It does not sound natural to me."
I just assumed that. I mean I see nothing wrong with his text. But I'm neither the native speaker nor fluent in English.
>it means that his message can be true
His English itself wasn't bad 3 months ago.
He has an intermediate level in English (solid B2), I think.
>native speaker
It's definitely not the native speaker. There are no native English speakers here. Also they have no idea who Bebris is.
>His English itself wasn't bad 3 months ago.
But he says
>>510873
>could not express a word in English in my head without running to Google Translate and checking every single word
>He has an intermediate level in English (solid B2)
Why do you think? I wonder too. This is why I want to count his mistakes.
>>511180
No, he's not native. There's a handful of non-native mistakes here and there but I don't know any of the formal grammar behind them, just that they don't sound right and something else would sound better. I can tell you however that it's "a native speaker", since you're pointing out one person from a group of native speakers. THE native speaker sounds like an honorary title, the first English speaker from whom all native speakers are descended, patient number zero of anglo derangement.
>Why do you think? I wonder too. This is why I want to count his mistakes.
It's a hunch.
>>511186
>I can tell you however that it's "a native speaker", since you're pointing out one person from a group of native speakers.
Do you see? I have a problem with articles.
I thought if I meant 'a native English speaker' by 'native speaker', then I should use 'the'.
Well. It's like everyone understands 'native speaker' means 'native English speaker' in that sentence. It's so obvious and because of that, I should use 'a' instead of 'the', right?
'I'll never understand that, I think.
>feel that have had some great improvement
Feel that I have made some great improvement
You need I here to specify the person in question, and made makes more sense here, but I'm not entirely sure why. Had a good hike, made lots of ground. Had some good workouts, made serious gains, etc.
>as it goes
as I go
I'm not sure why here either, I tried making some example sentences but found exceptions to any rule I tried thinking up.
>had difficult relationship
had difficult relationships. Need a plural here because you're talking about relationships with multiple teachers.
>as of some mentally disabled person
as some mentally disabled person. You can get close to this with some adjustments though "as I would of some/a mentally disabled person" would be correct and maybe you confused it with that.
>>510873
>It was then when I discovered Bebris
It was then I discovered Bebris/It was then that I discovered Bebris. Not sure if this is actually incorrect or if the other ways of saying it just flow better.
>never listened to anyone
never listen to anyone. You're telling other anons to not listen to people who preach otherwise in the future, listened would be past tense.
>>511193
See above
>>511194
A native english speaker/a native speaker, same usage. If you're referring to any theoretical singular person, it'd be "can a native speaker help me?", but if you're referring to a particular known person you'd use "Can the native speaker in this thread help me?". The difference in the second sentence is you're using "the native speaker" as a title, referring to someone who's name you don't know. "You need a plumber for this job", "The plumber over there, let's ask him".
>A native english speaker/a native speaker, same usage.
Okay. I just thought there were native Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, etc. speakers and that 'native English speaker' belonged to the whole group 'native speakers'.
>If you're referring to any theoretical singular person, it'd be "can a native speaker help me?", but if you're referring to a particular known person you'd use "Can the native speaker in this thread help me?". The difference in the second sentence is you're using "the native speaker" as a title, referring to someone who's name you don't know. "You need a plumber for this job", "The plumber over there, let's ask him".
Thank you.
The first one is pointing out a plumber who just happens to be there, the second one is talking about a previously mentioned plumber, it would answer the question of "where's the plumber?". In this context, the first one is correct.
"Where's Plumber Bob?"
"Plumber Bob is over there."
vs
"Where's Plumber Bob?"
"No idea, ask the plumber over there, maybe he knows."
Yeah, some of these are typos I'd make myself. I'd say solid B2 for sure based off of that post, some of the emotional undertones feel a bit off, like he hasn't fully mastered expressing himself in English. Overall a bit on the nose like a sales pitch. But C1/C2 also includes academic/literary fluency so unless he starts describing scientific or philosophical concepts in English it's hard to say.
>Do you think he lied about Bebris
Assuming he'd studied English for a while and had a good amount of knowledge, but had never committed it to muscle memory until Bebris, I think he's telling the truth. Obviously it's not possible to get to his level from scratch in 3 months, even a year would be incredibly difficult.
>>511205
>I will never achieve this level because the text is very complicated for me
I feel the same way about Russian when I browse dvach, the way anons talk is fucked compared to formal writing like literature. Just have to keep grinding anon, hang in there.
-These vagabond shoes, are longing to stray
-These little town blues, are melting away
>But C1/C2 also includes academic/literary fluency so unless he starts describing scientific or philosophical concepts in English it's hard to say.
Does it mean I have a level B2 in Russian since I can't 'describe scientific or philosophical concepts' in Russian?
My Russian grammar is just good but not perfect, by the way.
>Are you not a native Russian speaker?
Yes, I am.
I just think being able to 'describe scientific or philosophical concepts' is a strange criterion.
Many native speakers, including me, haven't learned that complicated stuff. That is they're not really able to understand it completely.
So, are you really a native English speaker?
Haven't we already talked on discord? If so, I've lost access to my former account, but I've created a new one.
Person A: I always dreamed of becoming the light for someone.
Person B: Well I hope you are for that special someone. I want some light in my life.
I think it's mainly there so employers know a C1/C2 certified person can function in an engineering department or other highly educated workplace. Even C2 learners feel lightyears behind the effortless colloquial language use of natives from what I've read.
>So, are you really a native English speaker?
>Haven't we already talked on discord?
Yes to the first, and yes to the second as well most likely. Burger#3165 (I might have changed my name since we last talked)
Where are Chris and Mike? They ___________ usually late for work.
to be (with adjectives)
The Simple Tenses:
I am/was/will be
You, we, they are/were/will be
He, she, it is/was/will be
The Continuous Tenses:
I am being/was being/will be being
You, we, they are being/were being/will be being
He, she, it is being/was being/will be being
The Perfect Tenses:
I have been/had been/will have been
You, we, they have been/had been/will have been
He, she, it has been/had been/will have been
The Perfect Continuous Tenses:
I have been being/had been being/will have been being
You, we, they have been being/had been being/will have been being
He, she, it has been being/had been being/will have been being
As you can see, there is nothing difficult.
There weren't any problems with translation.
I didn't have any problems with translation.
I translated it without a problem.
Вот это правильно построенные предложения? Вот я в письме и разговоре зациклен на 2 и 3 . А я хочу 1 юзать, ибо бывает надо и у меня мозг подвисает и не знает как глагол впихнуть например когда температуру спросили. Короче я что то проебал в самом начале в школе когда это изучали.
>>511482
"The" нужно, потому что разный смысл.
>"I didn't have any problems with the translation."
=
"У меня не было проблем с [этим] переводом."
То есть тут говорим про какой-то экземпляр переводаю
>"I didn't have any problems with translation"
=
"У меня не было проблем с переводом (переводами)."
Пример контекста, чтобы был понятен смыслл: например, если ты учился на ин.язе и рассказываешь, что у тебя в процессе обучения не возникало трудностей с заданиями по переводам.
Yeah. But his third example is: "I translated it without a problem."
So, It looks like he was talking about something specific.
>Пример контекста, чтобы был понятен смыслл: например, если ты учился на ин.язе и рассказываешь, что у тебя в процессе обучения не возникало трудностей с заданиями по переводам.
This is a good explanation, by the way.
What about pronunciation?
What I want to say is that I'd like to read aloud, but I don't know how to pronounce many words in English.
And it's boring and tiring to look up how words should be pronounced.
For example, when I read something silently in Russian, I tend to pronounce words in my head. And I can't do that in English: I just see words and nothing more, I can't feel them. That's very strange, I don't like it. Because of that, I'm not really sure whether I read something or just watching it (like we watch TV).
Russian is quite simple in that aspect. You can easily pronounce almost every new word correctly.
The Book of the New Sun? Охуенная серия. Вебм релейтед. Она из двух книг состоит
https://www.logobook.ru/prod_show.php?object_uid=13199468
https://www.logobook.ru/prod_show.php?object_uid=13199470
>>511542
Если я написал на русском, а мне отвечают на английском, я даже не читаю.
>Если я написал на русском, а мне отвечают на английском, я даже не читаю.
Okej, kr4. Kak ty 4itajesh' knigu, ne eb'a v dush'e, kak proizn'esti to ili inoje slovo na anglijskom? Ili ty vs'o znajesh'? Ili ty prosto 4itajesh' i teb'e poh? (V tom plan'e, 4to ty tupo 4itajesh', ne proiznos'a slova dazh'e pro s'eb'a.)
Blagodar'u za vnimanije. S Nastupajuschim!
Don't you guys like watching some movies/series? I find that more interesting.
Oops.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/stock
'a liquid used to add flavor to food, made by boiling meat or fish bones or vegetables in water:
vegetable/beef/chicken stock'
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/broth
'a thin soup, often with vegetables or rice in it: chicken/turkey/beef broth'
What's the difference between so and thus? I can not understand...
Хаппи ню эа май френц.